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IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

  • 1.  IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-16-2023 13:24

    In response to the announcement on the IARP virtual vs. in-person conferences, I don't see anything referencing the IALCP symposium, which has been a long-standing educational tradition formatted specifically for life care planners and life care planning continuing education.  Am I missing something?  This is a vital component to a growing field that is under represented in IARP.  Was there a decision made without addressing the field of life care planning that we would not have the symposium or will there be an upcoming announcement regarding that well-established tradition from the IALCP Board in the near future ???  

    My best,

    Sherry



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  • 2.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-16-2023 15:30

    Sherry,

    Thank you very much. Your IALCP Board is meeting with the IARP Big Board tomorrow regarding this very issue. 

    Thanks,

    -Nick

    Chair, IALCP 



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    Nick Choppa
    Rehabilitation Counselor/Case Manager/Life Care Pl
    nick@osc-voc.com
    Seattle, WA United States
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  • 3.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-16-2023 15:54

    Sherry, thanks much for asking this important question!

     

    Nick, we await further info with bated breath!

     

    Patricia A. Costantini,

    RN, MEd, LPC, CRC, CCM, CLCP, LNCC, ABVE/D, CNLCP

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  • 4.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-17-2023 08:47
    Thank you Sherry, I echo your thoughts and look forward to an update from Nick.
    Best,
    Debbe





  • 5.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-17-2023 11:26

    Ditto over here.  It is soooo important that the Symposium keep its identity and that we continue to be part of the IARP Conference Live Schedule so that we can network with our colleagues and be part of the association we pay our dues to.I do not want any changes to the format!



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    Tracy Albee
    tracy@medilegalinc.com
    TRACY, CA United States
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  • 6.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-18-2023 13:03

    All-

    IARP leadership has chosen to incorporate Life Care planning content as part of their 3 day full IARP conference in lieu of the annual Life Care Planning Symposium. 

    Your IALCP Board has requested reconsideration of this decision.

    We are working together to see if we can resolve this issue.

    Thanks,

    -Nick (on behalf of the IALCP Board) 



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    Nick Choppa
    Rehabilitation Counselor/Case Manager/Life Care Pl
    nick@osc-voc.com
    Seattle, WA United States
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  • 7.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-18-2023 18:39
    Most disappointing. I am glad that the IALCP, board has requested reconsideration.

    Bob

    Robert H. Taylor
    1987 Haven's End
    Prescott, AZ 86305-2148
    (928) 713-6833
    (720) 600-2636

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  • 8.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-18-2023 22:00

    Nick and IALCP Board,

    Thank you for defending IALCP from IARP's unexpected decision to cancel the ISLCP (IALCP Symposium) at the upcoming October 2023 Washington DC meeting. Historically the LCP Symposium has been a separate meeting from IARP Conference but scheduled back to back with the IARP Annual Conference for several reasons:  

    1. the back to back ISLCP/IARP Conference allowed life care planners an additional opportunity to learn together, network AND collaborate to build the practice of life care planning
    2. it encourages life care planners to attend both the IARP Conference as well as ISLCP meetings facilitating an increased number of registrants at the IARP Conference 
    3. back to back IARP/ISLCP provided additional educational opportunities to life care planners. As a member of ISLCP planning committee for many years we often had to decline excellent presentation submissions because there was not enough time during the 2 day ISLCP meeting. To facilitate outstanding IARP LCP track presentations the ISLCP planning committee would recommend these presentations be approved by the IARP Conference planning committee. 
    4. back to back IARP/ISLCP meetings encouraged life care planners to learn about and meet people from other IARP sections, encouraging networking and the chance to learn about other rehabilitation disciplines
    5. back to back IARP/ISLCP meetings supported our diverse community of life care planners allowing Vocational Rehabilitation Counselors that include Life Care Planning in their practice the opportunity to participate in both Vocational Rehabilitation sessions as well as Life Care Planning sessions without having to choose one session over another forcing colleagues to miss the opportunity to attend live meetings in both specialties when sessions were scheduled in both tracks at the same time. 

      The IALCP board's efforts to encourage IARP to reconsider this decision is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

      Dana   


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    Dana Penilton
    Life Care Planner & Catastrophic Case Manager
    dana@danapenilton.com
    Portland, OR United States
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  • 9.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-20-2023 14:10
    Dana and others,
    I would like to take the opportunity to share what I know about this. Just FYI, I was not involved in 2022 or 2023 conference/ symposium planning and do not plan to be. I do not hold a board position. I cannot address the process by which decisions are being made at this time. However, from approximately 2017-2021, I had the opportunity to work with the IARP board in the IALCP Symposium and IARP conference planning process. Both pre- and post-COVID, there were always members who requested virtual conference offerings. We have many members who have young children or cannot afford to travel to events, etc. We have members who are sole proprietors who cannot afford to be out of the office and we have academicians who, due to budget cuts, no longer receive enough travel reimbursement to attend conferences.  Over the last 5-6 years, I have tracked the number of members who registered for the IARP conference and we saw record numbers of members attending when we held virtual conferences.  Returning to an in-person event this year resulted in a marked decrease in conference registration. Undoubtedly, there are many members who enjoy the relationship building and networking opportunities that the in-person conferences offer and this simply cannot be replicated in a virtual format. However, if the primary purpose of the symposium and conference is the dissemination of information, the goal when planning events should be to provide the best education to as many people as possible. To this point, it is concerning to me that CLCP CEUs have not been awarded for recent IARP events because I, like many members, use the symposium and conference for CEUs. 

    Tanya Rutherford Owen, Ph.D., CRC, CLCP, CDMS, LPC, FIALCP
    Owen Vocational Services, Inc.
    Managing Editor- Journal of Life Care Planning
    Managing Editor- The Rehabilitation Professional
    1706 E Joyce Blvd Suite 2

    Fayetteville, AR 72703
    (479) 718-6631
    Fax (501) 421-6043





  • 10.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-20-2023 15:32

    Dear Tanya:  If I understand you correctly, individuals registering for the last two conferences did not receive CEUs for their participation?  Has ICHCC made to your knowledge, a policy change, regarding the process through which CEUs are awarded? 

    Nice sample analysis, too.

    Penelope C.



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    Penelope Caragonne
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    Laredo, TX United States
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  • 11.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-20-2023 16:10

    Tanya,

    I appreciate your perspective and that you looked at the data regarding virtual vs in person meetings. A virtual option makes sense for a lot of people for a number of reasons, including me at times. The issue is not that a virtual mid-year meeting is offered, but the elimination of ISLCP with the only option being IARP LCP track. This strategy is not consistent with our primary goal to disseminate information to as many people as possible (excellent content and opportunity for 4 vs 2 days of CEU hours). It is my hope that we can somehow come to a solution without the elimination of the 2023 ISCLP back to back with the 2023 IARP conference.

    Regarding virtual vs in person, might there by a hybrid option? Possibly offering in person meetings that are also presented virtually either at the same time or at a later time. I understand from EWALD that the platform required for a meeting that is in person and virtual at the same time is expensive. I would be interested in a comparison of the cost of a platform to host a virtual conference capable of 100's of attendees with the cost for in person conference combined with virtual conference (either at the same time or at separate times) or as IARP did for 2022 by offering recorded sessions post conference.

    I share your concern regarding non-approval of CLCP CEU's. One of our members recently posted that CLCP CEU's were granted for IARP and Summit post conference after the $50.00 fee was paid for non-preapproved coursework. Having worked on ISLCP and Summit conferences in 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022. I am aware of the team effort and time that goes into ensuring excellent submissions for CEU approval to several credentialing organizations. I am concerned that CLCP CEU's would be approved post conference rather than pre-conference. It is my understanding that EWALD was given no reason pre-approval of CLCP CEU's were denied for either 2022 ISLCP, 2022 Summit or 2022 IARP CLCP tracks. I know first hand how hard our EWALD representative (Julia Renner) works on CEU submissions for multiple credentials to multiple credentialing agencies. Julia is a pro at this, it is hard to believe that content of presenters or presentations were unacceptable for 2022 Summit, 2022 ISLCP, and 2022 IARP LCP track submissions. This is more confounding after learning that one of our members has received post course approval for the same content/presenters that were submitted for pre-approval.

    I remain frustrated.

    Dana



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    Dana Penilton
    Life Care Planner & Catastrophic Case Manager
    dana@danapenilton.com
    Portland, OR United States
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  • 12.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-20-2023 17:01
    Dana, et al:

    From what can be seen through public posts, there is no evidence that the IARP BOD insisted (demanded?) an explanation from ICHCC for its CEU denials.  ICHCC has a duty to its certificants to allow for CEU approval in order to meet the continuing education requirements for the CLCP and related credentials.  IARP has a duty to its members to pursue every possible avenue to secure CEUs related to professional programs.  There seems to have been too much silence here without explanation.  

    I recall someone from IARP leadership (Ann Savage Vieh?) requesting in the past for iARP members to "play nice" with ICHCC on this issue.  Well, that strategy seems to have failed.

    As a past-president of IARP, past chair of the IARP Forensic Section and former commissioner of life care planning for the ICHCC, I have more experience than most with these dynamics.    If there is an action plan that has been developed by IARP leadership for addressing these very serious issues that directly affect our membership,  I call upon them for full disclosure so the membership can have confidence that these issues are being addressed.  It is high time for full disclosure and explanation for why we are again at an impasse when it comes to IARP/ICHCC relations.

    It appears that virtual conferences will carry the day going forward and it should be evident why.  Let's address the bigger issue, which involves CEU's and the continued disrespect for IARP members by the ICHCC.  

    Bob

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  • 13.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-18-2023 22:43

    Sherry,

    Thank you to you and colleagues that have expressed concern and dissatisfaction regarding IARP's decision to cancel the 2023 Washington DC IALCP Symposium (ISLCP). I agree with my colleagues that preservation of ISLCP is crucial to the field of Life Care Planning for too many reasons to mention in this email. 

    I am deeply concerned that IARP made this decision without involving the life care planning community in this decision. Further, IARP announced this decision unexpectedly and for the first time when the 2023 IARP Conference in Washington DC was announced. IARP provided no rational for this decision except a vague reference that IARP was responding to the recent survey. I participated in that survey and do not remember any questions asking if life care planners had an opinion about cancelling ISLCP and "replacing" it with an IARP-LCP track. Historically both ISLCP and the IARP-LCP track have been an option to life care planners ensuring additional learning opportunities by attending back to back ISLCP and IARP Conferences annually.

    It is my sincere hope that IARP reconsiders this decision and does whatever needs to be done to add ISLCP back to the 2023 Washington DC meeting schedule as well as ensuring that in person ISLCP and IARP Conference meetings continue. 

    On another note, it is my hope that the planned mid-year virtual meeting is not intended to eventually replace in person meetings. After participating in planning as well as attending the 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 meetings I feel strongly that the virtual 2020 and 2021 meetings (although excellent and the best we could do during the COVID-19 pandemic) did not offer the same opportunities as live, in person meetings.

    Regards,

    Dana



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    Dana Penilton
    Life Care Planner & Catastrophic Case Manager
    dana@danapenilton.com
    Portland, OR United States
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  • 14.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-19-2023 08:51
    If the reason is band width perhaps a few of us can volunteer to help organize it. I would be happy to participate. I know it takes a lot of work …. I have always appreciated people who have energized themselves to put these conferences together - thoughts?



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  • 15.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-19-2023 09:24
    It is a concern that people will not come without approval of CLCP CEUs, and we did not get preapproval of CEUs for the summit or the symposium in 2022. Has anyone gotten post approval of credits for these events when renewing?
    Laura


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  • 16.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-19-2023 09:47

    Do we know what reason was given for the CLCP CEUs not being approved for the last IARP conference?



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    Patricia A. Costantini
    pattyc4303@comcast.net
    Pittsburgh, PA United States
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  • 17.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-19-2023 10:54
    Not pointing fingers, but.....This should not even have been if issue if IARP/IALCP leadership had done their jobs proactively and ICHCC had acted like adults in the room. Are you saying that an explanation has still never been given?  If this is the case, how can you possibly expect a positive result next time?  If an explanation was given by ICHCC, all IARP/IALCP deserve to know what it was.

    Bob

    Robert H. Taylor
    1987 Haven's End
    Prescott, AZ 86305-2148
    (928) 713-6833
    (720) 600-2636

    Sent from my iPad





  • 18.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-23-2023 11:20

    The explanation I have been given by ICHCC is that they are taking a step back from participating with the IALCP.

    Please note that CEUs were approved for the 2022 symposium for ABVE, CCMC, CDMS, CRC, CVE and some sessions for OT and nursing credits.



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    Laura Woodard, MA, CRC, CLCP, CCM
    Rehabilitation Counselor
    ReEntry Rehabilitation Services Inc.
    Lakewood, CO United States
    lwoodard@reentry.comWoodard
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  • 19.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-23-2023 11:25
    I see ICHCC has also approved CLCP CE's for the AANLCP conference in March.





  • 20.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-23-2023 11:30

    "The AANLCP proudly announces that our 2023 Conference has been pre-approved by the Commission on Rehabilitation Counselor Certification (CRCC) for 15.50 general contact hours and 1.0 ethics contact hours. Additionally, we have been pre-approved for 17.2 contact hours by the CNLCP Board and FIG Education for LCP-C certification."  

    Sadly, I did not see ICHCC listed here.

    Kind Regards,

    Kelly Harvey



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    CEO- OWNER
    DrHarvey@HarveyMLC.com
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  • 21.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-23-2023 11:52
    It was a notice of approved events from the ICHCC.
    From the website:

    2023 AANLCP Educational Conference

    Sponsoring Organization: AANLCP
    Date: March 10-12, 2023
    Max CEUs: 17.20 (1.0 Ethics) CLCP/CCLCP, CMCPS, MSCC
    Course #: 1764
    Contact: Jessica Urie, Conference Co-Chair | 610-348-5583






  • 22.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-23-2023 11:57

    Wonderful, thank you!



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  • 23.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-23-2023 12:12
    They have also provided pre-approved to the APLCP conference in April.

    Sherry
    Sherry A. Latham BSN RN CLCP MSCC CNLCP FIALCP

    Sherry Latham & Associates
    Oklahoma Medical Legal Consulting Services LLC
    P.O. Box 721943
    Norman, OK  73070
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  • 24.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-23-2023 12:14
    The AANLCP approval was announced by ICHCC.

    Sherry
    Sherry A. Latham BSN RN CLCP MSCC CNLCP FIALCP

    Sherry Latham & Associates
    Oklahoma Medical Legal Consulting Services LLC
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    Norman, OK  73070
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  • 25.  RE: IARP Fall Virtual vs. In-person

    Posted 02-20-2023 10:28
    Laura,

    I renewed in December and was approved for the CEUs from the summit and previous IARP conferences. I had to pay $50 extra but it was all approved.

    Sincerely,

    Jocelyn Holt, OTR/L, CLCP

    PO Box 12451
    Gainesville, FL 32604
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