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HELP!!!!

  • 1.  HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 12:21
    I just got my first referral for life care plan. I need to find out what a reasonable travel rate to charge???? Thank you for any assistance.

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    Kristina Russell
    krussell@intensityrehab.com
    Hartville, OH United States
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  • 2.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 12:26
    Your time doesn't change just because you are driving.  Professional time and Travel time is the same...you are working on a project that requires your time.  You are not donating your time...its time out of your life.

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    Ronald Smolarski
    Director
    ron@beaconrehab.com
    Ann Arbor, MI United States
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  • 3.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 12:30
    Well there may be a number of opinions about this but I suggest 1/2 of your hourly rate for travel, plus mileage.

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    Patrick Orbino
    Vocational Rehab Consultant
    pjorbino@comcast.net
    Parker, CO United States
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  • 4.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 12:50

    I think you would be justified in charging your full rate, however, I also charge half my rate. Mainly because I am working on other things while driving.
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    Amy Johnson
    PhD, RN, CLCP
    amy@johnsonclcp.com
    Tyler, TX United States
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  • 5.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 12:53
    Kristian,

    You are the boss, and what you charge is called free market pricing (helping professions have difficulty with charging for their services, because they have been told that it should be free or discounted etc. - don't buy into that rubbish)  You are not controlled by other corporations,  that do not have your best interest in mind.  When you shop at Kroger's does Kroger tell you how much a product is or do you the purchaser tell the business how much you will pay for a box of crackers? You want to be your own boss, than one must think in your own interest. 

    I charge the same rate across the board plus milage.  I have followed this billing procedure for over 37 years.  Good luck Kristian.


    Ronald Smolarski
    Director
    ron@beaconrehab.com
    Ann Arbor, MI United States
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  • 6.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 13:17

    I also charge for my time.  it matters not that i am driving.... it is still my time and my time has a value.  .... 

    Sandra Impey
    sandra@otfacts.ca
    County of Grande Prairie, AB Canada
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  • 7.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 13:47
    As Ron posted, you are the boss.  However, you know you wont charge more than your hourly rate and based on previous replies, I wouldn't go lower than half your hourly rate.  Choose whatever you feel comfortable with.  I happen to charge the same for professional and hourly.  If the travel is lengthy, there is nothing wrong with pro-rating your travel time.  That way, you don't set a precedent of having an established lower rate for travel for future cases.  It gives you some leeway.

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    Burt Ashman
    Licensed Rehab Counselor
    burt@mcnabbrehab.com
    Lafayette, LA United States
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  • 8.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 14:27
    Yes if I were working on a case in France ( and I really would like to go there for fun and work - good chance I might charge a different rate for travel...but those type of trips are outliers)...and you can make your decision than if you choose to discount, because you really need the work or would just like to be in a particular environment.  

    Some people dictate while driving.  Safety engineers state that this type of driving is worst than driving under the influence of alcohol.  Its best to be focused on your driving.

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    Ronald Smolarski
    Director
    ron@beaconrehab.com
    Ann Arbor, MI United States
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  • 9.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 14:47
    I have traveled to out of the country on several cases.  I charged my hourly rate for the travel and professional time (including the travel to and from the airport, as well as the flight time) but not for meals and sleep.  I have been considering a daily rate, or a door to door fee, for these kinds of events but have not presently adopted anything different. 

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    Susan Wirt
    Case Manager/Life Care Planner
    susan@wirtandassociates.com
    Catawba, VA United States
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  • 10.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 14:45
    Kristin,
    You will not be referred life care planning cases because you charge only half your professional rate for traveling.  You will be referred life care planning cases because of the quality of your work and the soundness of your testimony.  Whenever people have discussions about charging half of their professional hourly rate for traveling and waiting it is simply irrelevant to the real issue of whether or not attorneys want to retain you.  Retaining you is going to be based on your work, not your traveling rate and not even your professional rate.

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    [Carl] Gann], [Really Nice Guy]
    [Tacoma], [WA] [USA]
    [(253) 722-5556]
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  • 11.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 13:58
    If the travel is quite a distance and involves significant time, you may want to consider a day rate or 1/2 day rate.  Our day rate is 10 hours x our hourly rate.  For example, we travel to California frequently and Hawaii occasionally for cases and, given the distance, a day rate is more applicable. 

    Good luck with your new case and welcome to the expert world! 

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    Reg Gibbs
    President
    rgibbs@rmrehab.com
    Billings, MT United States
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  • 12.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-08-2014 14:00
    Thank you for your candid advice.

    Kristina L. Russell, M.Ed.,CRC
    Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor/CEO
    Intensity Rehab LTD.
    Cell# 330.310.9552
    Fax: 855.276.4838





  • 13.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-09-2014 10:36
    Kristina,

    Thank you for posting this question. I am on a fact finding mission for myself and I am trying to learn what I need to do in order to begin a practice in Life Care Planning and other forensic services. How did you start this for yourself? 

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    Phil Young, MA, CRC, CPC





  • 14.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-09-2014 10:57
    Well I got a referral from a law firm earlier this week and they found me on care planners.net.

    Kristina L. Russell, M.Ed.,CRC
    Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor/CEO
    Intensity Rehab LTD.
    Cell# 330.310.9552
    Fax: 855.276.4838





  • 15.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-10-2014 01:32

    First step will be to obtain training in life care planning.  University of Florida has training in LCP and most of it can be accomplished through the internet.  ABVE is having a conference in March 2015 that hits on many of the areas  of starting a forensic rehab business. 
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    Ronald Smolarski
    Director
    ron@beaconrehab.com
    Ann Arbor, MI United States
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  • 16.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-10-2014 10:50
    IARP's conference in Nov will have many programs on life care planning.  There is still time to sign up.  It will be a wonderful conference.

    Also, the life care planning Symposium will be held in September next year in Scottsdale

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    Lynne Tracy
    Vocational Counselor
    lynnetracy@sbcglobal.net
    Calabasas, CA United States
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  • 17.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-10-2014 10:54
    IARP's conference in Nov will have many programs on life care planning.  There is still time to sign up.  It will be a wonderful conference.

    Also, the life care planning Symposium will be held in September next year in Scottsdale

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    Lynne Tracy
    Vocational Counselor
    lynnetracy@sbcglobal.net
    Calabasas, CA United States
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  • 18.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-10-2014 11:05
    Hi Paul,

    I went through Capital University's Law School program and they are located in Columbus, Ohio. It was a great program and online. It usually starts in November and finished by April. They have the trial module at the very end which was very helpful which University of Florida doesn't have. After, you complete the program, you take the CLCP exam at the university, and complete a life care plan. It was reasonable more than University of Florida.

    I own my vocational rehab company and wants to market in other areas and always interested in this field.

    If you have any other questions, please ask. Hope that this information does assist you. Take care and have a great day!

    Kristina

    Kristina L. Russell, M.Ed.,CRC
    Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor/CEO
    Intensity Rehab LTD.
    Cell# 330.310.9552
    Fax: 855.276.4838
    Email: krussell@intensityrehab.com
    website: www.intensityrehab.com




  • 19.  RE: HELP!!!!

    Posted 10-14-2014 09:41

    Phil,

     

    The first step is asking the question by doing what you have done - seek guidance. I get asked this question frequently from folks that are just starting out and my response is usually pretty similar.  First, it is important for you to understand that in both life care planning and forensic services, you are being retained because of your expertise.  Expertise is not developed from sitting in a classroom and learning.  Expertise is evolved over time, through a combination of graduate training, certification and/or licensure, mentorship, and most importantly - experience.  There is no substitute for experience and that takes time – in some case many years.     

     

    I am not sure what your level of experience is.  If you lack experience, I would suggest you immediately seek out mentorship either formally or informally to job shadow an LCP/FVE to see if you have the thick skin it takes to do this work.  The nature of the work is that one side or the other will always be telling you – you are wrong, or your opinion is in error – will you be able to deal with this most fundamental aspect of this work – only you know the answer, or maybe you don't know yet – that is why job shadowing is so vitally important.  Coaching and mentoring is available through IARP depending upon where you are in your career and the direction you see yourself going.  If you find this work is for you, then begin to network, and obtain the foundation training necessary to do the work that you seek.  The fact you are on this discussion group and had the courage to ask the question shows you are already in this mode of thinking.  I will not go into the training that is available as that has already been discussed in this thread.  But beyond the training – I can't overstate the importance of mentoring before, during, and after your training.  I would encourage you to work for someone else for several years before you contemplate going it on your own.  The most dangerous part of this work when you first start out, is not knowing what you do not know – that knowledge and wisdom only comes with experience and time and I believe is the root cause for developing a lot of gray hair. In this world of immediate response by email, text, or phone, we sometimes loss sight of the fact that slow and steady, with contemplation and deliberateness, will generally win over haste and urgency.

     

    When I first started in this work, I worked for someone else for 8 years.  During that period of time, I did no forensic work for the first 4 years, and it was about 6 years into the job before I ever gave my first deposition.  Now 22 years later, I reflect back and periodically run across an old report that I had done 10-15 years ago, and I can't help but smile ask "what was I thinking – I can't believe I said that."  I have a CRC in my office that I hired last year who also wants to move in the direction of forensic work.  The employee has 10 years of public experience, and after 1 year of work with me, has yet to work on a forensically oriented case.  The employee is learning the literature, obtaining the foundation training in LCP, and learning what he/she does not know. The employee might be ready in a couple of years, but is presently making steady progress toward that finish line.       

     

    Rick Robinson, Ph.D., MBA

    LMHC, CRC, CVE, CLCP, NCC, D/ABVE

    Robinson Work Rehabilitation

    PO Box 40050

    Jacksonville, FL  32203

    Email: rick@rwrehab.com

    Phone: (904) 712-4419

    Fax: (888) 445-7119

    Web: www.rwrehab.com

     

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