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Life Coach

  • 1.  Life Coach

    Posted 03-12-2014 10:51
    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussions: Life Care Planning - IALCP and All Member Forum .
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    I have recently run across a LCP that included the services of a "life coach" (8-24 hours/day @ $12/hr through life expectancy). Services provided by the life coach are not specified.  The plan includes separate costs for psychiatric exams, cognitive remediation, counseling, PT, OT, case management, home care and housekeeper.  The client does not require skilled or unskilled nursing or a home heath aide (she works full time). I tried to call the contact number listed in the plan for more information, but there was no answer.  Any insight is greatly appreciated.

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    Daniel Baierl, MS, CLCP
    President/CEO
    danbaierl@comcast.net
    Irwin, PA United States
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  • 2.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-12-2014 14:28
    I have seen and used a "life coach" used in a few cases, but I am not sure it is the same as what you are discussing.  I have seen the LC for a few hours per week, not daily for so many hours.  The LC contacts the person (phone or in person) to discuss plans for the day or next few days, with the goal of assisting in prioritizing, planning, sequencing, making lists, making decisions, or similar higher level executive functions.  I have seen an OT do this or someone who has ben well-trained by an OT for a specific case.  In my area, a life coach is not a formalized title that is universally recognized nor is there any standardized training, requirements, or credentialing.  It is whatever the parties agree that it is.  Is there a geographic area where it is more formalized?

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    Karen Preston, FIALCP
    Consultant
    rnsconsult@aol.com
    Sacramento, CA United States
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  • 3.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-12-2014 14:34
    I wonder if what they are meaning is a Therapy Support Worker or Rehabilitation Therapist.   Even at that 7-24 hours per day seems excessive unless the client has a complete inability to manage on his/her own and needs 24 hour supervision in which case in Ontario at least we would consider this Attendant Care or Personal Support.  This client works full time - how can anyone then justify a need for 7-24 hours per day of supervision/coaching or assistance of any kind???   Thats completely out of line!

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    Moira Hunter
    Occupational Therapist
    backtowork@rogers.com
    Paris, ON Canada
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  • 4.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-12-2014 15:32
    Thanks to everyone.  I now have a better understanding of how a certified life coach contributes to TBI cases (this is such a case albeit very minor with no loc). I still cannot make contact with the facility listed in the LCP.   I think I'll make sure that any needs related to executive function are thoroughly addressed in the cognitive assessment.   

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    Daniel Baierl, MS, CLCP
    President/CEO
    danbaierl@comcast.net
    Irwin, PA United States
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  • 5.  RE: Life Coach

    Posted 03-12-2014 16:45

    Has the Treating Physician of the injured person signed off on that life care plan?

     

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  • 6.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-12-2014 18:03


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    Daniel Baierl, MS, CLCP
    President/CEO
    danbaierl@comcast.net
    Irwin, PA United States
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    Nowhere in the records is a coach recommended.  Medical treatment has not been rendered in this case since 2010.  There simply is no PCP at this time.  The life care planner is a CRC and earned a Ph.D. but I'm not sure in what area.  His area of expertise may qualify him to make this recommendation but it is not supported either in the medical records or evidenced by the client's accomplishments since the accident.






  • 7.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-12-2014 18:13
    On a lighter note, as the discussion about a life coach continues, I keep thinking that I could really use one to help me get organized every morning!

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    Carla Seyler
    Rehabilitation Counselor
    carla@seylerfavaloro.com
    New Orleans, LA United States
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  • 8.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-12-2014 22:10
    Carla as a Certified Professional Coach there are those of use that will work with you on that. Regarding the original message and replies it seems very strange that this person would be offering that service. Yet to understand the life coach industry it is a different animal with little to no supervision or oversight by a professional or regulatory body. There is the ICF, but they are only in the baby steps of developing their protocols and they are truly an international organization.


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    Philip Young
    philyoungmacrc@gmail.com
    Dallas, TX United States
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  • 9.  RE: Life Coach

    Posted 03-15-2014 16:19

    I have seen this term used primarily in the psychological and counseling fields and often provided in therapeutic centers by professional counselors over a few months or so.  I have also more commonly seen and have used "life skills trainers" or "neuro attendants" as some may prefer for job title identification in lieu of traditional home health aides or certified nurse aides or care providers when specific long-term structure, support and supervision is required in the home setting in lieu of a residential TBI program due to brain injury or other neurocognitive disability. People like different job titles and that is OK, as long as it is understood what service they are providing and there is not an overlap for one-on-one personal care services and supervision in the home that follows a therapeutic plan of care (just like a TBI program provides otherwise). One could also use the title of "life coach", absent a specific certification or license with such title, if it makes people feel better; however, from what you noted, it appears as though this plan already provided for home health care services otherwise, unless that is not completely clear. 

     

    Dan M. Bagwell

     






  • 10.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-17-2014 13:46

    Using the "life coach" designation without certification training is like using any other abbreviation salad after your name. You shouldn't use it if you do not have the certification to back it up. 
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    Philip Young
    philyoungmacrc@gmail.com
    Dallas, TX United States
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  • 11.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-17-2014 14:15

    Philip, my point, as was referenced, was "absent a specific certification or licensure" designation for the title.  I am not sure that every state recognizes the certification, but having said that, I am a registered nurse and licensed in my state for the same.  Does that mean that it is inappropriate for breast feeding mothers to use the term "nursing"  or "to nurse" or for others to use the term "dry nurse" or "wet nurse" and as a general term per accepted definition as "as woman who takes care of a young child"?  The key here was purely one of providing a specific service without overlap for supervision and structure, although I would agree that for the sale of clarity, best practices would suggest using  the most recognized and appropriate title designation for the service.  

     

    Dan Bagwell

     






  • 12.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-18-2014 10:26
    Dan, I do not think that we are that different in our reasoning for someone not using the term "life coach". My point really was this. I am a Certified Professional Coach and a Certified Rehabilitation Counselor with inactive licenses in Mental Health Counseling and Rehabilitaton Counseling as I left the state in which those licenses apply many years ago.

    I realize that the coaching profession is currently very loosely structured with no real requirement for clinical supervision. To me as a professional that is bothersome. My understanding of taking the course work necessary to become a "life coach" there are no state regulations of the industry and the only real requirement is to take a fly by night certification training and then set up a registered business to open a private practice. Sad to say the least since it is one of the fastest growing professions akin to counseling and therapy. Therefore, there are many who do not possess the professional level of skills to be working in this industry. In fact there are training programs that are built from Eriksonian theories of counseling. One such program is through Erikson College. That is quite an expensive program that many do not have the funds to complete.

    As far as a breast feeding mother using the word 'nurse' as a verb that is quite a different definition from the proper noun and professional designation of Nurse. (RN, LPN). I am sure that you would concur that a CNA claiming to be an RN or LPN 'nurse' would not be something that you would like or be allowed in your place of employment. If they could use that then I am sure that the salary levels and job descriptions for CNA, LPN, and RN would be much more closely aligned in the medical profession. That was all I was trying to point out.

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    Philip Young
    philyoungmacrc@gmail.com
    Dallas, TX United States
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  • 13.  RE:Life Coach

    Posted 03-18-2014 10:50

    Thanks for your follow-up Philip. You are correct and we both really agree.  As one from a profession in which the term "nurse" is so loosely applied globally, I am much less sensitive about job titles, unless the use of such title has very significant ramifications.  For example, some of the non-licensed employees in post-acute brain injury treatment facilities and long term programs for supported life care have different titles for the same or similar job description.  These range from life skills trainers to life skills technicians to neuro attendants and so forth. This provides these important, non-licensed care providers some specific distinction within their career fields even though there is also carry over of all tasks from personal care assistance to carrying out a carefully designed therapeutic regimen, whether it is through recreational pursuits to shopping, money management/budgeting, planning out daily activities, general task performance requiring concrete or abstract thinking, planning, organizing, multitasking, and general decision making.  Structuring these activities are quite different from routine personal care assistance, but personal care assistance is also part of the job. Providing these employees with unique titles representing what they do is just good business practice, but I would certainly agree that there should be some uniformity and clarity for such when preparing a life care plan and including a specific level of service.

     

    Take care,

     

    Dan