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  • 1.  Vocational Interview, a Threshold, or a tool within our methodology?

    Posted 10-05-2022 11:01

    Dear Listserv Members:

     

    I received a request from a defense attorney to respond to a Plaintiff experts report.  In this instance, I was unable to interview the evaluee. The attorney has asked me to respond to the expert's statement: …" a threshold for any vocational analysis is to meet with an individual and complete a vocational interview and analysis."  Please let me know if this statement is accurate.  If yes, why, and if not, why not.

    My response is this statement is not accurate.  In the field of Forensic Rehabilitation, there are a myriad of reasons why this statement is incorrect.  First, the statement implies using the word "threshold" that if a forensic Vocational Evaluation is performed without an interview, it is invalid.  There are scenarios in our field where evaluators are asked to perform vocational evaluations on an evaluee and interviewing them is not possible.  The most common example is in a Wrongful Death matter.  Other examples include in the Social Security Disability venue where vocational experts are asked to classify an individual's work based on a file review.  A full vocational evaluation is not possible in this venue.  In other cases, such as an individual being incarcerated may not permit the induvial to be interviewed.  Performing a vocational evaluation on a child, we in this case, have to look to their parents or family for information.  In some venues we work, as vocational experts, we are not permitted by the opposing side or there may be time constraints that do not afford the opportunity to interview the evaluee.

    In the field of vocational rehabilitation, we have a standardized methodology we follow a generally accepted methodology.  In some instances, we can draw conclusions based on the evaluee's demographics, education history, work history, and any alleged limitations an evaluee may have.  While our standard practice to interview evaluee's in vocational evaluation, it is not always possible.  This does not make the evaluation or opinions invalid.  This is not a "threshold issue, but an issue of the vocational interview being a well-accepted tool as part of the standard methodology used in vocational evaluations.  The vocational interview is part of a standardized practice, when able to do so, but does not preclude the evaluator from performing a quality analysis.  On the other hand, while a vocational interview is performed, it can be done in a very systematic manner which acts as a tool to provide information to inform the vocational conclusion.  A vocational interview can also be performed in a very short and shoddy manner that does not necessarily render quality.  In Forensic Rehabilitation, a vocational there is a standardized methodology we follow in our field.  The interview is not a "threshold" but a tool to be used as "Best Practices" whenever possible.

     

    What does the Listserv think?



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    Brian Daly
    Vocational Expert/Life Care Planner/Owner
    Brian@premiervocationalexperts.com
    Clinton, NJ United States
    (908) 268-0592
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  • 2.  RE: Vocational Interview, a Threshold, or a tool within our methodology?

    Posted 10-05-2022 11:37
    Sounds like you are on the defense...if true you would have needed to request an in person interview...usually the plaintiff will reject this offer....but if you have this rejection your good to go...as to the other arenas yes you are dead on 

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  • 3.  RE: Vocational Interview, a Threshold, or a tool within our methodology?

    Posted 10-05-2022 11:38
    I agree with your assessment Brian. A tool not a threshold making the expert opinion not valid. In marital dissolution cases I’ve not always been allowed to interview the individual. I always document that I did ask to interview because many times on the stand this is a question “You never met the individual?”

    Renee B. Jubrey, MS
    Certified Vocational Evaluator
    Diplomate/American Board of Vocational Experts
    RBJ Vocational Experts LLC
    Tele (860) 707-2220
    Fax (860) 651-7750




  • 4.  RE: Vocational Interview, a Threshold, or a tool within our methodology?

    Posted 10-05-2022 12:30
    Thank you Renee,

    I wholeheartedly agree.

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    Brian Daly
    Vocational Expert/Life Care Planner/Owner
    Brian@premiervocationalexperts.com
    Clinton, NJ United States
    (908) 268-0592
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  • 5.  RE: Vocational Interview, a Threshold, or a tool within our methodology?

    Posted 10-05-2022 19:57
    I would concur Brian. And my additional response to the retaining attorney would be ok, if their expert believes that, then they must produce their plaintiff for evaluation. 


    Michelle Aliff Ph.D, CRC, CVE
    Vocational Consultant
    Aliff Vocational Consultants, LLC
    (503) 516-9863 (phone)
    (817) 796-1478 (fax)
    michelle.aliff@gmail.com

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  • 6.  RE: Vocational Interview, a Threshold, or a tool within our methodology?

    Posted 10-05-2022 20:09
    Touché. Perfect 





  • 7.  RE: Vocational Interview, a Threshold, or a tool within our methodology?

    Posted 10-05-2022 19:55
    I agree with you Brian. Your comment about SSA lays this beef instantly to rest as ridiculous. If attacked on this, that is. SSA is the largest retainer of VEs in the world and perhaps that largest court system in the world in terms of case numbers. The CFRs make for the classic model of TSA used in all venues. Most all VEs, (those any good at least) have either done or still do SSVE (and use the basic methodology in all other forensic venues). And (oops) interview is not allowed by this little entity called the US Government. So, any VE saying an interview is required in all cases is simply wrong. That said, there is a proviso that one must have sufficient vocationally relevant information if an interview is not done.

    Plus, like I have said before, some states like Oregon, have no discovery requirement for experts, "trial by ambush". Neither side is obligated to say if or who they have retained as an expert at all. No depositions are done. Sometimes a report, usually not. Show up at trial, testify or not, if needed. Attorneys on both sides love it. Real chess game. I ask attorney if an interview will be allowed. P answer is yes, D answer is no or maybe, we'll see.

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    Scott T. Stipe, MA, CRC, CDMS, IPEC, D/ABVE
    Certified Rehabilitation Counselor
    Board Certified Vocational Expert
    Scott Stipe & Associates, Inc.
    DBA Career Directions Northwest
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