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  • 1.  Retro Labor Market Survey

    Posted 04-03-2023 19:57

    What are the current best ways to perform a retro labor market survey?  I'm currently contacting different libraries about their classified archives.  Most online job sites don't have archives past a few months.  What are some methods or literature that might be helpful?Thanks so much!



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    Asheley Wells
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  • 2.  RE: Retro Labor Market Survey

    Posted 04-03-2023 20:25
    State Employment offices often have labor Economists. Data currently existing and historical data available. They track wage by county, state and numerous occupational growth or declining statistics by region and occupations. In demand occupational factors are common with published averages and total numbers in the industry. I doubt you’ll get real postings that method but frequency data and wage with numbers of jobs. I’m not sure that’s what’s requested.

    Maybe someone else has ideas.
    John F. Berg

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  • 3.  RE: Retro Labor Market Survey

    Posted 04-04-2023 00:07

    Agree with Berg
    Those state economists are assigned by region and can be extremely knowledgeable about job openings and major employers listing such openings. Use them. Get to know them. They tend to be delighted to help and love data. I get them impression some may be a bit bored. Ours not only track listings made by employers to state employment but can also give you numbers of openings from other sources on www. I have asked them for example for numbers of job openings by occ between X and Y date as well as a list of employers with the most openings. Armed with that you can pick up the old phone and call employers saying for example that you were informed by the state economist that your company had an opening as of May 2020 and get more information as to qualifications, demands, wage based upon what person brings to the table. 

    It is has been stated by VEs on this forum that such is "impossible". Such is total BS. An admission of lack of experience/competence. Most VEs and RCs truly hate LMS, go all out to avoid it, and find it all so icky they fib about it. Any wonder why it is "impossible"? Job developers I have employed over the years laugh about that. They are good at it. They like the hunt. If a VE is lousy at it, which most really are, they should retain a job developer, someone with a substantially different set of skills than a typical CRC or VE to accomplish the task. We all have different skills. That is okay.



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  • 4.  RE: Retro Labor Market Survey

    Posted 04-05-2023 21:58

    Ashley, in addition to these other recommendations, you could also look to industry associations depending on the specific occupation your looking to conduct an LMS on.  I have worked with several unions in my area and they often have job data that can aid in such retro reports.  As we all know, the scope of the LMS is the key here.  If you are looking for broader trends in data collection for job vacancies, wages, unemployment rates, growth, and even prerequisites of specific employers then a labor economist would be useful in performing that LMS.  However, if you are looking to focus your LMS on a specific job and how it's performed, such as work environment, physical and mental demands, tools and processes, training/education as well as aptitudes for specific jobs, then a job developer or vocational expert (with similar placement experience) would be most applicable.  I don't see how this could not apply in retro cases if that is your specific need.

     

    On a closing note and in respect to decorum on any professional listserv, I would caution against statements that negatively stereotype the majority of VE's and are openly critical of a professional cohort based on personal experiences.  It is also unlikely anyone performing forensic work and/or a member on this listserv would have an issue with performing inherent functions of a VE, such as a LMS, especially if it was required for evidence and testimony supporting an ECA, LMA, or such.  To further discussion and even promote mentoring programs offered by the IARP the audience of those on this listserv deserves to be recognized.

     

    Cheers,
    Joe Young






  • 5.  RE: Retro Labor Market Survey

    Posted 04-04-2023 17:53

    A few months ago, I was asked (wrongful termination case) for a lms regarding a specific occ, in a specific labor market, and between certain dates. 
    Fortunately, my referral source was able and willing to pay for this specialized request and I was recommended, and used, a service with Malcolm Cohen/Amnon Steiner at         amnon@forensicjobstats.com
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    the Employment Research Corporation.   Phone: 734-477-9040        Employment Research Corporation  .  
    Enough information about most listings enabled me to make direct contact with the hiring party, if I so desired.
    Although somewhat pricey, imo, the results exceeded my expectations in terms of the number of results, and the detailed job & employer descriptions, etc. Also included were BLS stats by county, etc.  I would use them again for any similar type of research.   (Disclaimer:   I am not paid nor compensated in any way by this vendor and there is no financial relationship between us.   'Just passing on another professional resource for us to access.)  





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  • 6.  RE: Retro Labor Market Survey

    Posted 04-04-2023 18:16
    Bob, thanks for sharing this.  I have wondered about what their information would look like.

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  • 7.  RE: Retro Labor Market Survey

    Posted 04-05-2023 20:24

    Bob: I have had a similar experience with Dr. Cohen.  I needed historical data and in working with them, I gained access to their database and also ERI data.  I had a very special case where the historical data was important. 

     

    In addition I had special questions that  needed labor market survey and I was able to go back and use the information to verify some specific questions for clarification. 

     

    Anytime historical data is needed I recommend them . 

     

    I also give the same disclaimer. 

     

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