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ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

  • 1.  ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-16-2022 17:36
    Does anyone use this with any regularity or success?


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    Beth Pasikowski
    Vocational Case Manager
    beth.pasikowski21@gmail.com
    Michigan
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  • 2.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-16-2022 17:44
    I do as one data source.

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    Lynne Tracy, M.A., LMFT, CRC, ABVE/D
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  • 3.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-16-2022 17:55
    No, I have never used any ERI data and will not.

    Bob

    Robert H. Taylor
    1987 Haven's End
    Prescott, AZ 86305-2148
    (928) 713-6833
    (720) 600-2636

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  • 4.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-16-2022 17:56
    Beth: This is one data source for forensic assessments I have used sparingly for about 20 years. I like it “ generally “. They are best for the high income evaluee. I don’t fall in Love with any single data source. I always triangulate 4-8 sources, depending on complexity and wage loss claim amounts. The downside is the subscriptions are expensive. The printouts are well designed. I have not renewed as I’m at the tail end of this work after 45 years. I beg, trade, send Starbucks cards, or use my massive charm to obtain copies. There are some on this list that are generous and nearly philanthropic. If someone reading this thinks I hood winked them on previous deliveries , send me an invoice for past services rendered.

    John F. Berg, M.Ed., CRC, ABVE/D, IPEC
    Vocational Consulting Inc.
    Seattle-wa


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  • 5.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-16-2022 21:50

    Beth,

     

    I use it in high end cases only.  However the company is not transparent in how they obtain their data.  If you are in trial or depo...this could come back to bite you.

     

    I use McCroskey's  MVQS, it's been around for over 30 years.  ABVE & AREA both had excellent articles in their journals on the MVQS .   IARP conference participants used a couple systems and MVQS scored the highest reliability.  If you want to use your testing data, intake data, and obtain transferable skills, wage capacity, access to employment, and any possible training possibilities...this software does the job.  There was a vocational evaluator discussing the attributes of the two top TSA programs at the 2022 AREA Conference in Chicago...MVQS was one of the systems.    

     

     

     

    Ronald T. Smolarski, M.A.

    Certified Life Care Planner

    Forensic Economist

    Certified Functional Capacity  Evaluator

    Vocational Expert

     

    ron@beaconrehab.com

    www.beaconrehab.com

    (800) 821-8463

    Ann Arbor Michigan, USA

     

     

     

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  • 6.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-17-2022 12:47
    Well, I just finished speaking with ERI and a tech who was very helpful.

    This was the result-
    I pick a job, enter in physicality and it does not dispute performance and spits out a report that comports to what I said.

    2 examples discussed

    Cashier - McDonalds
    Stand/walk 8/8
    Lift 40 lbs. (box french fries)
    Occasional overhead lifting

    And it kicks back a report that certifies the physicality by occupational assessor


    Cashier - McDonalds
    Stand/walk 4/8
    Sit 4/8
    No bend, twist, no lift over 1 lb.
    No overhead reach or lift
    No contact with the public
    Occasional contact with supervisors and co-workers

    and it kicks out a report that certifies the physicality of the job.

    He told me it NEVER disputes information inputted into the physical demands section, the aptitude section, social interaction section etc.

    I asked if anyone ever reviews the reporting and he said, analysts.

    I asked their role
    He said they have HR backgrounds and only look at whether the jobs meet or do not meet exempt or nonexempt survey response.  Then we danced around until he told me that exempt/nonexempt are salary criteria- salary, commission, non-commission, hourly, union etc. and benefit criteria.

    So ultimately,

    Enter in the restrictions of a person, enter in a job description and enter in a payrate and it spits out a report

    All based on whomever enters the data for the report.

    No wonder LTD Carriers are using this program to dispute continued receipt of benefits and again at the 2-year mark.

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    Beth Pasikowski
    Vocational Case Manager
    beth.pasikowski21@gmail.com
    Michigan
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  • 7.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-17-2022 13:13

    Any computer program that tells you a cashier has no contact with the public needs to go into the garbage.

     




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  • 8.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-17-2022 14:04
    Barbara - that what so funny - the "CRC" counselor or whomever pays to use this source can enter ANYTHING they want and the computer program will "verify" and not dispute.


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    Beth Pasikowski
    Vocational Case Manager
    beth.pasikowski21@gmail.com
    Michigan
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  • 9.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-17-2022 14:20
    Beth: when you originally asked if others used ERI I assumed salary assessor not "occupational ". I have not used that option, just wage data search on high income occupations like CPA, physicians, securities analyst, Attorneys, IT computer etc. yes, sounds like non scientific mumbo-jumbo. 

    No system is perfect. Always check out methodology if published. Federal rules of evidence is important; is it "generally accepted " other experts reasonably rely on this type of data ". Source: Federal Rule 703. Found in Daubert v. Merrill Dow Pharmaceuticals, 509 US 579, 591 (1993).

    Now my conscience is clear amending my previous post!

    John Berg
    Seattle-wa

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  • 10.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-17-2022 14:34
    No worries

    I have always seen it as a salary tool

    Not for occupational indications like the SCO

    Beth


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  • 11.  RE: ERI OCCUPATIONAL ASSESSOR

    Posted 08-18-2022 17:31
    Meh.
    For "high wage occupations", why not just seek out salary surveys generally found in the professional associations representing the occupation in question. They sometimes are good, sometimes very detailed as to specialty and experience, sometimes not and sometime non-existent with some associations not very forward thinking for members as to wages, rates...hint, hint. Sometimes there is cost, sometimes not, or sweet talkers like old Berg can finagle. (He never sends me any Starbucks cards or nothin' when he calls, but that's fine. I don't drink $8, 1000 calorie coffee anyway). If survey cost is modest, pay it and charge it to the attorney as with any other fee. The association data carries with it an official weight, or aroma sweet so even if cost is high, it can be worth it. They know how they got the data and all is spelled out unlike proprietary sources with mystery. Often leads are found in the other information at the end of OOH and sometimes it takes a hunt to find in order to overcome the old funky OEWS $208000 ceiling some DOL statistician who hates VEs came up with.

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    Scott T. Stipe, MA, CRC, CDMS, IPEC, D/ABVE
    Certified Rehabilitation Counselor
    Board Certified Vocational Expert
    Scott Stipe & Associates, Inc.
    DBA Career Directions Northwest
    4110 SE Hawthorne Blvd
    #188
    Portland, Oregon, 97214
    (503)234-4484
    (503)234-4126 fax
    email: sstipe@careerdirectionsnw.com
    website: www.careerdirectionsnw.com
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