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  • 1.  eDOT Question

    Posted 3 hours ago

    Hello All!

    Do any of you utilize the eDOT when describing prior work and physical demands?  I've read some of the previous posts regarding this and can't quite figure out the reliability of the eDOT and if it is accepted in Vocational Expert work.  In my experience, I've only seen it utilized by vocational counselors working with insurance companies in LTD cases.  So, curious who else uses it.  Thank you! Kathy



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    Kathleen Mueller
    President
    kmueller@indrehabservices.com
    Naperville, IL United States
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  • 2.  RE: eDOT Question

    Posted 3 hours ago
    I recently watched a webinar called Is the DOT dead? with Stoneburner and Diaz.  Their conclusion was that it was still useful as one part of data collection.  I still use it mostly in divorce cases to outline a past work history and to have 
    documentation of skill level, physical demand level etc.  It is probably just long time habit.



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  • 3.  RE: eDOT Question

    Posted 2 hours ago
    If you mean do I use the "on line" version of the DOT, yes, I do. I also have a hard copy (tells you how old I am!!!) that is held together with duct tape, is highlighted and tabbed, and otherwise beloved.
    I supplement this information with the ONET since that's more broad, and in my discussion point out that the DOT is old and ONET developed for career exploration, however, "the information still holds validity, particularly in the context of my 35 years of experience as a vocational consultant and knowledge of how these jobs are performed in this labor market."

    Cynthia (Cindy) Engebose
    Lone Oak Vocational Consulting LLC
    PO Box 14042
    West Allis, WI 53214
    414-687-2280
    "All Work is Important"


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  • 4.  RE: eDOT Question

    Posted 2 hours ago

    Thank you!  I was referring to the eDOT (Enhanced Dictionary of Occupational Titles) which is published by a private entity called the Economic Resource Institute (ERI).



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    Kathleen Mueller
    President
    kmueller@indrehabservices.com
    Naperville, IL United States
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  • 5.  RE: eDOT Question

    Posted 2 hours ago

    This topic has been brought up in the forensic section before - there were some good discussions about it in 2023 and 2021. Do a search for eDOT when your logged into https://connect.rehabpro.org/forensic/   

    DOT/Skilltran software, Job Descriptions provided by the employer or from job search engines, information provided by the client themselves, ORS/Onet/OOH data in some cases...these are my typical go to's

    In 2023, the late Jeffrey Barrett states "The E-DOT was created by a company called ERI to update the DOT for corporation personnel and other providers who use the DOT. It is not a validated system , the information is mostly annecdotal provided by their own customers. It is expensive. Some LTD insurers like E_DOT to justify their findings, but it is not valid and not accepted by the federal courts (which is where LTD is litigated). In other words the insurers count on claimant attorneys and their vocational experts not to know. If nobody points out that the information source is not validated in court, they can win. Don't be thrown by E-DOT. Simply point out that E-DOT is not an accepted vocational source and then provide valid information that is recognized by federal agencies."



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    Alicia R. Hiles, MA, MS, CRC
    Hiles Consulting, LLC
    hilesconsulting@gmail.com
    KC, MO
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  • 6.  RE: eDOT Question

    Posted an hour ago

    The eDOT is a database and software program developed by the Economic Research Institute (ERI), a for profit. This was founded in 1987 as a provider of compensation information to employers. The database is not accessible without subscription which I understand comes with a hefty price tag. I do not believe it is appropriate to use this in vocational forensics. As far as I understand, the IARP had a task force that studied the usefulness of the eDOT in litigation settings and determined that use of the DOT remains the most appropriate along with use of clinical judgement, of course. I do not believe that there has been any change in IARP's stance on the eDOT but someone please correct me if I am wrong. The task force was established quite a while ago (2009) and perhaps this has changed but I do not believe so. Also, please look at the webinar, "Is the DOT Dead?" that was offered last year. It was quite interesting. Someone else just referenced it in a response to your question. Highly recommend.



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    Rhonda Jellenik
    Counselor
    rhonda@rjcasemanagement.com
    Mansfield, MA United States
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  • 7.  RE: eDOT Question

    Posted 36 minutes ago
    I do quite a bit of LTD work, so I do use the program. I find it very helpful for descriptions of modern occs not covered in the DOT. I would like to see the government incorporate it into an update for environments in which SOC grouping is insufficient. I have found some noticeably egregious mistakes in the physical and cognitive demands. The annual cost is in the thousands of dollars, depending on the databases you access. I believe the occupations database is about $4,000 per year. 

    Joseph M. Atkinson, MS, CRC
    Vocational Rehabilitation Consultant
    456 Buckingham Ave.
    Syracuse, NY 13210
    (315) 729-9408
    Fax: (702) 441-3133





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