Discussion: View Thread

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

Unless someone has a track record, I treat this like any other self-employment venture.  I evaluate their earning capacity by examples of jobs they can do in their labor market with associated compensation.  Clearly, there are a lot of landmines in trying to evaluate earning capacity for this type of occupation without any available official data. 

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

Developed LONG BEFORE INTERNET, in DOT terms, this might be the closest to describing some of the functions:

DOT Code: 191.117-018 Business Manager

Alternate Titles: Business Agent

Manages financial affairs of entertainers and negotiates with agents and representatives for contracts and appearances:Negotiates with officials of unions, motion picture or television studios, stage productions, or entertainment houses for contracts and financial return to be received for engagements. Promotes client's interests by advising on income, investments, taxes, legal, and other financial matters. Provides liaison between client and representatives concerning contractual rights and obligations to settle contracts. Summarizes statements on periodic basis concerning client's investments, property, and financial status.

Date Last Updated: 1977

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

Developed LONG BEFORE INTERNET, in DOT terms, this might be the closest to describing some of the functions:

DOT Code: 191.117-018 Business Manager

Alternate Titles: Business Agent

Manages financial affairs of entertainers and negotiates with agents and representatives for contracts and appearances:Negotiates with officials of unions, motion picture or television studios, stage productions, or entertainment houses for contracts and financial return to be received for engagements. Promotes client's interests by advising on income, investments, taxes, legal, and other financial matters. Provides liaison between client and representatives concerning contractual rights and obligations to settle contracts. Summarizes statements on periodic basis concerning client's investments, property, and financial status.

Date Last Updated: 1977

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

Developed LONG BEFORE INTERNET, in DOT terms, this might be the closest to describing some of the functions:

DOT Code: 191.117-018 Business Manager

Alternate Titles: Business Agent

Manages financial affairs of entertainers and negotiates with agents and representatives for contracts and appearances:Negotiates with officials of unions, motion picture or television studios, stage productions, or entertainment houses for contracts and financial return to be received for engagements. Promotes client's interests by advising on income, investments, taxes, legal, and other financial matters. Provides liaison between client and representatives concerning contractual rights and obligations to settle contracts. Summarizes statements on periodic basis concerning client's investments, property, and financial status.

Date Last Updated: 1977

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

I would contend that Social Media Influencer does not meet any of the traditional requirements of an occupation; the nearest title I can think of is "Celebrity".  It seems akin to hiring someone just because they are famous, perhaps to actual achievement in another field, or just because of their looks/style, they have a cute dog, etc.  What is the educational path?  Physical requirements? Aptitudes, temperaments, etc?    I haven't taken the time to determine if companies actually create job descriptions for this collection of activities, but I would be surprised to find substantial and quantifiable posted job openings for a Social Media Influencer.  I know one when I see one, but the steps to achieve this status are so varied that I'm glad I don't have to define them with any degree of reliability or validity.  Could one lose the capacity to be a Social Media Influencer due to an injury or disability?  Absolutely.  Can you predict someone's ability to be a Social Media Influencer?  Hoo boy, I sure don't know how to do so.

Developed LONG BEFORE INTERNET, in DOT terms, this might be the closest to describing some of the functions:

DOT Code: 191.117-018 Business Manager

Alternate Titles: Business Agent

Manages financial affairs of entertainers and negotiates with agents and representatives for contracts and appearances:Negotiates with officials of unions, motion picture or television studios, stage productions, or entertainment houses for contracts and financial return to be received for engagements. Promotes client's interests by advising on income, investments, taxes, legal, and other financial matters. Provides liaison between client and representatives concerning contractual rights and obligations to settle contracts. Summarizes statements on periodic basis concerning client's investments, property, and financial status.

Date Last Updated: 1977

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

Developed LONG BEFORE INTERNET, in DOT terms, this might be the closest to describing some of the functions:

DOT Code: 191.117-018 Business Manager

Alternate Titles: Business Agent

Manages financial affairs of entertainers and negotiates with agents and representatives for contracts and appearances:Negotiates with officials of unions, motion picture or television studios, stage productions, or entertainment houses for contracts and financial return to be received for engagements. Promotes client's interests by advising on income, investments, taxes, legal, and other financial matters. Provides liaison between client and representatives concerning contractual rights and obligations to settle contracts. Summarizes statements on periodic basis concerning client's investments, property, and financial status.

Date Last Updated: 1977

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts? 

Developed LONG BEFORE INTERNET, in DOT terms, this might be the closest to describing some of the functions:

DOT Code: 191.117-018 Business Manager

Alternate Titles: Business Agent

Manages financial affairs of entertainers and negotiates with agents and representatives for contracts and appearances:Negotiates with officials of unions, motion picture or television studios, stage productions, or entertainment houses for contracts and financial return to be received for engagements. Promotes client's interests by advising on income, investments, taxes, legal, and other financial matters. Provides liaison between client and representatives concerning contractual rights and obligations to settle contracts. Summarizes statements on periodic basis concerning client's investments, property, and financial status.

Date Last Updated: 1977

This 'occupation' has been coming up a lot in the last few years.   it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict an earning capacity and likelihood of success.  Clearly this is self-employment at best.

I would love a discussion how others are addressing this 'occupation' (and I use the term loosely as it seems more a popularity contest to me).  Has anyone run into any reliable sources of data?  How are you predicting success and EC?   How have you seen the success documented?  So many received products/services in lieu of money, and also receive money. 

While we know of people who are successful, I believe this is effectively a pyramid with only a very few successes and most not making a living.  I do look at the TS to sales/marketing, but specially want to know if anyone has been able to determine an EC and support a plan for this 'occ'.

These new occs are going to come up more and more, and where better to discuss than here! :-)

Thanks for your thoughts?