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  • 1.  Aptitude Levels

    Posted 05-23-2023 18:45

    Dear colleagues,

    I recently came across a vocational report in which the evaluator stated that she includes in her recommendations occupations that are up to one aptitude level above the evaluee's test profile (i.e. occupations that require average general learning ability or verbal aptitudes are recommended where the evaluee tested at a low average level). I have always taken the approach, especially in a forensic setting, that if a person does not match the aptitude requirements, then the occupation is likely not suitable.

    I would like to hear what you think about this and what is your rationale. Thank you in advance!



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    Francois Paradis
    Certified Vocational Evaluator
    francois@career-options.ca
    Toronto, ON Canada
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  • 2.  RE: Aptitude Levels

    Posted 05-23-2023 19:52

    Francois: It appears, with what little factors listed, she is embellishing one's capacity to learn, perhaps for the benefit of the insurer/defense. It is the proverbial the injury somehow benefited the claimant. Now he/she is able to perform better with an impairment. Won't pass the red-face test if testifying.

     

    1. I would want to know the name(s) of tests, if standard error of measurement (SEM) +/- scores listed and or considered.
    2. What Company manufactures the test?  Is it reputable? Widely used?
    3. If so, what is the MANUAL state about SCORING ?
    4.  I also wonder if she/he used demonstrated aptitudes from actual work history.  Maybe comingling some assumed test score/data points.
    5. I would want to see high school testing if available and contrast to see if at one point in time, the injured person did well in a lecture style academic setting. Or college if any.....

     

    John F. Berg, M.Ed., CRC, ABVE/D, IPEC

    VOCATIONAL CONSULTING INC.

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  • 3.  RE: Aptitude Levels

    Posted 05-23-2023 20:11
    Thank you John,

    It was indeed a defence report and the evaluator used the GATB. I will have to look further into her report but this practice of going one level above doesn't quite sit right with me. I don't recall what the RHAJ says about occupational aptitude ratings but here in Canada, the NOC says aptitudes represent the abilities required of an individual to learn the skills needed for average, satisfactory work performance in a specific occupation. So, in other words, would someone likely meet employer requirements for satisfactory performance if they score below those aptitude levels? I don't think so. But maybe others have a different take on this?

    Francois Paradis, M.A., CVE, CCVE, ICVE

    Career Options

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    Toronto, ON

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  • 4.  RE: Aptitude Levels

    Posted 05-24-2023 12:13

    I have heard back from a few people about this issue and here is what I think; it is best not to disregard actual test scores unless there is a good reason to think they are not an accurate representation of someone's potential or capacity. For example, if a person's test results were lower than what their work or education history would suggest and no apparent reasons to explain the discrepancy (i.e. medical impairments* affecting attention or tolerance to complete tasks, obvious lack of effort), then I would fall back to the work/education history aptitude profile as a more accurate representation of that person's work potential. In such a case, I would still prefer using the work history profile than simply raising the aptitude test scores to include more job matches. 

    *In the jurisdiction where I work, impairments are only compensable if there is medical evidence to support them.



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    Francois Paradis
    Certified Vocational Evaluator
    francois@career-options.ca
    Toronto, ON Canada
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  • 5.  RE: Aptitude Levels

    Posted 05-24-2023 12:35

    Because imprecision in a comparison such as this (i.e., person capability vs. labor market demand) can come from so many sources, I often build some leeway into my own decision-making...

     

    1. Bad testing day (i.e., pain, anxiety, low blood sugar...)
    2. Bad coaching (i.e., from self, spouse, attorney...)
    3. Construct of one of the tests I employed was better at some items than at others
    4. Cultural and/or language-related subtleties
    5. DOT/ONET/ORS/Job-Description cataloging of work demands was 10% or more inaccurate at moment of cataloging and then got more inaccurate with passage of time
    6. Jobs at one workplace differ from those at other workplaces, (i.e., with accommodations acceptable at some but not at others)
    7. Some disparities can be mitigated by taking a class or two, or by employing a compensatory strategy or two

     

    -Steve Bast, MHS, CVE, CDMS, FVE, CCM, IPEC, ABVE/F, EA

    Westwind Consulting, Inc.

     






  • 6.  RE: Aptitude Levels

    Posted 05-24-2023 13:29

    Hi Francois -

    Here is a link to Chapter 9 - Aptitudes, as described in the 1991 Revised Handbook for Analyzing Jobs: https://skilltran.com/rhaj/rhaj9.pdf#page=4

    We have scanned the entire book, chapter by chapter, since it is out of print from the US Government. https://skilltran.com/index.php/support-area/documentation/1991rhaj

    Average - Value = 3 is defined as the middle 1/3 of the standard distribution across the working population. There is a bell shaped curve often depicted when associated with this range of values, but the curve is not part of the actual published document. So middle 1/3 is the middle 33% of the population, with about 16% less than the average and 16% above. So to interpret test scores, the middle range covers about 34% to 67% of the working population. Performance on tests reported in %ile values may be applicable, depending on the composition of the normative group on which the test was normed and its relationship to the general working population. 

    Basic statistics aside, lower performance on a testing measure can be negatively influenced by a variety of factors, ranging from personal anxiety, genuine limitation in the tested aptitude, an "off" day, or whatever. When applied to the real world, limited aptitude can sometimes be offset in a learning environment by significant motivation by the individual to learn the subject matter. We admire people who "hit the books" hard to master a subject at hand ... or a training program, or academic degree. So utility of these values can be variable when applied to the n=1 ... when motivation/applied learning and ultimate performance may well exceed test result. 

    Low average, in the context of the GATB performance should be viewed in the context of the 9 subtests administered. Low average is still within that middle third called "average". Bottom line, check the report to see if subtest values are reported and which values are in which ranges. Many people do well on some areas and bomb out on others. Each of us is gifted differently. Many experience test anxiety.

    Also, test scores from GATB do not align perfectly with the task statement examples and rating procedures followed by DOT job analysts. Note the last paragraph on page 9-2. In the DOT, an assignment of value 5 indicates that there is no need for this aptitude at all to perform a specific DOT occupation. This is reinforced by the fact that there are NO DOT occupations with a G value of 5. All occupations require at least SOME intelligence, so there are NO DOT OCCUPATIONS with value of 5 for Aptitude G - General Learning Ability. From our "Pocket Guide to the DOT" - https://skilltran.com/pubs/SkillTRAN_DOT_PocketGuide_2020.pdf", there is a panel devoted to APTITUDES and the actual reported distribution of DOT occupations with each of the aptitude values.

    Not sure if this information is helpful and/or informative, but am hoping adds some value to this discussion.



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  • 7.  RE: Aptitude Levels

    Posted 05-24-2023 16:37

    Than you Jeffrey, this is good information and a reminder that initial DOT ratings were not always well aligned to the GATB. The rating descriptors are helpful to better understand what each aptitude level means. We have something similar in the Canadian classification. I also agree that there are many factors that can affect test performance and this is why triangulating our test results is important to get a more accurate picture of a person's aptitudes.



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    Francois Paradis
    Certified Vocational Evaluator
    francois@career-options.ca
    Toronto, ON Canada
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  • 8.  RE: Aptitude Levels

    Posted 05-25-2023 13:58

    Francois:
    GATB ought not be used, as it is an out-of-date instrument. VEs and CRCs are required to use test instruments that are current. If one wished to use an aptitude test from DOL the Ability Profiler, an aptitude test very similar to GATB may be considered along with other aptitude tests. 
    All that said, what I have increasingly seen over the last decade or so is a few "experts" not doing any testing at all even (when there is opportunity to do such and/or there is an absence of other, same/similar testing in file). I have also seen a rise in such alleged quack "experts" attacking test results by saying goofy junk like if test results were set aside or if the evaluee was allowed unlimited time to complete timed tests the outcome would probably be better. Well, duh. No wonder lawyers think VEs are funny sometimes! Hard not to laugh.  If allowed a week to do my SATs, maybe I could have gotten into Harvard after all! This allowing for more time on a timed test thing is essentially the VE admitting out loud that they don't care about violating test protocol, failing to use standard method and admitting to engaging in malpractice, attempting to paint an inaccurate picture of evaluee options, abilities. I have had "experts" do this saying that individuals with limited education and aptitudes from past work which were nowhere near those needed for STEM type college programs could be engineers or whatever. Yeah, I guess if we give him all the time he wants on testing, then he somehow is accepted in a college program or somehow is able to pass all prereqs allowed to not take timed tests, he might somehow graduate, and then maybe somehow be hired and maybe possibly even be retained while also being far less accurate and productive then all the other engineers. Real dangerous possibility oriented fairy tale junk. 






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